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"The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123" (mattp123) 05/16/2015 at 19:52 • Filed to: None

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Cars with outward visibility as bad or worse than the 5th/6th gen Camaro. Everybody rags on the Camaro for it. I’m sure the Challenger is just as bad but nobody ever seems to mention it. What other cars are difficult to see out of but get a free pass?

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 19:54

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HammerheadFistpunch > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 19:55

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Actually, aside from dead astern...I bet this NV is better than the camaro.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 19:58

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Whats the deal with panel vans anyway? Why cant they have windows

jariten1781 > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/16/2015 at 20:07

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Shelving up the sides. Stuff sliding around you don’t want ramming the Windows, busting them. Prevents prying eyes and allows a secondary lock for the compartment making it less attractive for thieves.

f86sabre > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 20:08

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CB > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/16/2015 at 20:08

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Windows break a lot easier than metal. Probably more expensive to put glass in than to just have sheet metal there.

f86sabre > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/16/2015 at 20:09

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Tool racks and odds are they are carrying equipment that you don't want everyone to see.

AM > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 20:20

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Here’s a list:

*Some only have poor rear visibility, others have poor visibility all the way around.

- Dodge Challenger

- Ford Mustang

- Chevy Malibu

- Ford Focus Sedan/Hatch

- Hyundai Sonata

- Kia Optima

- Jaguar F-Type

- Nissan 370Z

- Porsche Boxster

- Toyota FJ Cruiser

- Nissan GTR

- Honda Civic

- Hyundai Elantra

- Ford Fusion

- VW Passat CC

- BMW 5 Series GT

- BMW 3 Series GT

- BMW X6

- BMW X4

- Pontiac Solstice Coupe

- Chevy Volt

- Toyota Prius

- Toyota Venza

- Chevy Equinox

- Mercedes-AMG GT

- Porsche Panamera

- Ferrari 458

- Lamborghini Huracan

I could go on for days. Basically any car made from 2010+

desertdog5051 > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 20:28

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Chrysler 300, Tanks, Submarines.

cbell04 > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 20:53

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I had a hard time seeing out of the sho I test drove. Had a back up camera but I wasn’t used to it so had a hard time judging the distance.

Hot Takes Salesman > f86sabre 05/16/2015 at 21:02

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Wait a minute, what is that Merc? Is that a next-gen SL render or what?

Your boy, BJR > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/16/2015 at 21:10

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Because then they’d just be ‘vans’

sebdel > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 05/16/2015 at 21:16

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I think is a very common problem, I’ve driven these two and they’re terrible.

It’s all over the car industry, My mom had a 89 cherokee and my dad a 98 range rover, going from that to almost any other SUV is a big change in visibility. I see a lot of mahindras going around, They’re ugly, but I always notice the side panel to window ratio, it’s huge!

sebdel > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/16/2015 at 21:20

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Buyers carrying illegal weapons/drugs/people, expend a lot of money, the industry has to think about them! windows are dangerous!.

I’ve driven a couple of those, if I had a window back there I wouldn’t be able to use it anyway, if you’re using a cargo van you’re probably carrying a lot of stuff back there.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > AM 05/16/2015 at 22:48

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Just saw this. Glanced over notifications on mobile kinja to see if any locals responded saying they were at the same cruise night. It is a shame/unfair that everyone loves to single out the Camaro (or “camero” for the special folks).

Amoore100 > f86sabre 05/17/2015 at 00:08

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I like the sub.